I talked to a guy there who said his name was Phil Bradshaw,
but I heard it wrong and it actually is Philip Bradstock.
He told me that he headed the city of Phoenix Film office.
He told me that "commercial use" means any photos that will be taken and resold.
He said that the legal definition of "commercial use" is defined in the city of Phoenix ordinance G-1403.
There seem to be some exceptions in that code which say it doesn't apply to us. They are in G-1403 Section 1.B Exemptions
- 1.B.1 Current news and general public interest
- 1.B.2 Studios which are in the city of Phoenix. Probably per the "equal protection clause of the Arizona and US Constitutions.
- 1.B.3 Charitable purposes (but permits are required)
Searching for the Phoenix laws was a royal pain in the *ss. I suspect the royal rulers of the city of Phoenix made their web pages intentionally difficult to navigate because they don't want people searching thru their laws and suing them like I am doing.
First go to the main city of Phoenix web page which is at:
http://phoenix.gov/When you get there near the top of the web page, on the left side of the page there is a red box that says eServices. It looks like this:
Click on the box that says:
>>Search for Public RecordsNext to go this URL and click on the URL that says
phoenix.gov/APPINTRO/offrec.html
Next click on the disclaimer on this URL which says
Next go to this URL and click on the highlighted
Advanced search optionsThat will bring you to the next web page which follows.
Now click this URL
Then check the check box that says
Ordinances adoptedThen near the bottom of the page where it says
Search by Document ID Number (Ordinance or Resolution)enter the city code number, which for
G-1403is entered as
And last but not least then click on the
Phil Bradshaw said this was his web site and we could get information on permits and stuff here:
http://filmphoenix.com
Thursday, Oct 18 talk with Philip Bradstock
I talked to Philip Bradstock again today on
Thursday, October 18, 2012 and finished talking to him
a little before 12:14 p.m.
First I screwed up when I wrote his name down the first time. His name is not Phil Bradshaw as I originally thought. His name is Philip Bradstock and that is Philip with one "L" in it, not two "L"s.
His email address is:
philip.bradstock@phoenix.gov
He called the Park Ranger
When I first talked to Philip Bradstock he told me that he called the Park Rangers to find out what was going one.That's kind of odd. Why did he call the Park Rangers as a result of my call to him asking for information about the laws that govern taking photos.
You must have been doing something wrong
He told me that we must have been doing something wrong because hundreds of other people take pictures there every day and the Park Rangers don't order them to stop taking photos.He said we must have been doing something wrong, like taking photos of nude women, or something else.
And of course that is why I am looking for the legal definition of what commercial photography is and what the legal definition of when you are required to get a permit to take photos.
With his logic of
"You must have been doing something wrong"it sounds like the Park Rangers make up their definition of what is legal and illegal on the fly with no regards whatsoever to what the law actually says.
You know the old
"I have a gun and a badge and what ever I say is the law"type of logic police thugs routinely use on the serfs they rule over.
Phoenix City Code G-1403 doesn't cover still photos
I told Philip Bradstock that Phoenix City Code G-1403 doesn't seem to cover taking static still photos. It only covers making movies and videos.Philip Bradstock told me that I was correct and that Phoenix City Code G-1403 does not cover taking static still photos and only addresses making motion pictures and videos.
But he told me that the law gives them the power to set all the definitions and make all the rules about how the law is to be enforce and thus t hey can pretty make up all the rules they want such as requiring you to get a permit to take static photos.
Philip Bradstock told me he didn't know of any other laws that covered the issue and that G-1403 was the only law that applied.
There is not law that requires a permit to take static photos???
I suspect if as Philip Bradstock says that Phoenix City Code G-1403 is the only law on the books that covers this issue then indeed Park Ranger Carlos Sotomayor violated our constitutional rights when he ordered us to stop filming, if their is not Phoenix law that requires a permit to take photos.I suspect that Philip Bradstock also violated our constitutional rights by ordering the Park Rangers to stop people from taking photos. I suspect I should also add Philip Bradstock to the lawsuit as a defendant.
I will email him
I told
Philip Bradstock
that I would send him an email to
philip.bradstock@phoenix.gov
and hopefully he could get his legal department to tell us
exactly what law governs taking photos at Papago Park.
Philip Bradstock is afraid of getting sued
Philip Bradstock seem to be a government bureaucrat who didn't
want to give me the information I was asking for because he was
afraid that I might sue him.
I told him that is why I was calling because I think that the City of Phoenix violated our constitutional rights by ordering us to stop taking photos.
He told me he didn't want to say anything to me, because if he said it wrong it could be used against him in a law suit.